Future Folia support for Itemsadder?

Agaloth

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Folia introduces regionised multithreading, which means that plugins will require modification to function properly. Plugin developers should expect compatibility with existing plugins to be at zero.
Folia introduces new API additions, such as the RegionisedScheduler and EntityScheduler, which can help plugins run on the correct thread context. These additions are not compatible with Paper, but there are plans to add API to allow Folia plugins to be compatible with Paper.
To ensure compatibility with Folia, plugin developers must mark their plugin as compatible by placing "folia-supported: true" in the plugin.yml file. Additionally, plugins must take advantage of the RegionisedScheduler and EntityScheduler API to ensure correct behavior.
Plugins should not assume that they can access or modify data in other regions, as Folia regions tick in parallel and do not share data. Plugin developers should take advantage of the upcoming thread-check API to ensure correct behavior.
There are currently broken API, including the scoreboard API, and planned API changes, such as super aggressive thread checks, which may impact plugin development.

Overall, plugin developers should be prepared for significant changes in their plugins to ensure compatibility with Folia. They should take advantage of the new API additions and mark their plugin as compatible to ensure correct behavior. Additionally, they should be aware of the limitations and rules of Folia's regionised multithreading to avoid bugs and errors in their plugins.

LoneDev

Folia introduces regionised multithreading, which means that plugins will require modification to function properly. Plugin developers should expect compatibility with existing plugins to be at zero.

There are currently broken API, including the scoreboard API, and planned API changes, such as super aggressive thread checks, which may impact plugin development.

Your statements already answer your main question.

ItemsAdder will not support Folia as it breaks every Spigot plugin not only ItemsAdder.

I have no idea why Paper team decided to work on Folia, we already have Sponge as an alternative plugins loader for Minecraft servers and it's still not really used widely.
I don't know how they expect a new project to be popular.

Not here to throw shit at them since they surely worked hard on it, but I don't think many devs will consider switching or adding compatibility to Folia.
The regionized ticking is cool but idk if most established networks would also consider rewriting their WHOLE plugins ecosystem just to get some unknown performance improvement.

We'll see in the future if it's worth doing so, but I doubt.

Riks

LoneDev Hello, I’m really interested in ItemsAdder supporting Folia. Folia is basically the future of large servers, you can easily handle more than 800+ players on the same instance if your players are properly shared across the world (which is the case in smp and skyblock servers). If you want to read more about it and how it works, here’s the GitHub repo: https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia, they have a really good README which explains everything. I hope you’ll consider supporting Folia. Thanks.

Scot_Survivor

LoneDev

Folia isn’t designed as an alternative plug-in loader. That just had to happen because it changed it to multi threaded region ticking.

I don’t know how this user requested it for IA, it’s not designed for the average server, but for large networks with dedicated development team. 🤷‍♂️

All I can say is that OP, should ask their dev team to implement ItemsAdder like plug-in, or fork something & PR support.

LoneDev

I'll surely do it in the future as soon as Folia will be production ready, stable and their API won't change.
Thanks

LoneDev

I doubt folia will even be ever used in the large scale.
Spigot is a standard and will always be the main server software.

Just like Sponge. It's a very cool server software but no one uses it.

https://bstats.org/global/sponge

impres_s

Hi, for me, Folia could be necessary for large servers, they can also help you to financiate it if you have to do it at loss. I'm the owner of a +500 players server and ItemsAdder is the last barrier of not switch to Folia, we even hesitate to switch to Oraxen, but there is less features/have to re-dev all of our plugins.

Please contact me on discord if you're interested, we can help you to do it ASAP.

Best regards,
Yann from Hyping Studio.

LoneDev

The issue is that last time I checked about Folia its API was unstable, uncomplete, draft and coding compatibility would require a complete rewrite of the ItemsAdder parts which make use of threads for delaying actions.
Also I'm 99% sure that the Folia API will be changed in the future and break the plugin again, so would require another restructuring of the plugin which is a waste of time which could be used to make the Spigot implementation better.

impres_s

Hi LoneDev ,

After few month, we estimate than Folia could be ready for that, and we are also ready to help you by a financial counterpart to add it to the public version, it can be great if you could contact me in DM (impres_s), we can discuss about this.

Best regards,

Yann from Hyping Studio.